Is the 10 000 hours rule a bullshit and huge generalization that could also become a mental block that is slowing down the skill-building process? by #KylePhoenix

Is the 10 000 hours rule a bullshit and huge generalization that could also become a mental block that is slowing down the skill-building process?

One, its based on Ericsson's theory. Which is more expansive and detailed than just 10k of rote activity and practice. Always go to the original study to judge. Two, in all of the answers I've read, none are from teachers. Teachers are essentially"mind-learning doctors" because we spend so much time translating reality and at the same time mapping a students mind and capacity to learn.

Non-teachers see learning the way a viewer sees a moving car. Teachers see learning from the perspective of an engineer within the car with a laptop showing the real time processes.

Outliers: The Story of Success 

The social problems with the 10k rule is that, people want things faster. 10k is a seemingly big number. Until you see that a college 4 years is close to 10k hours. Of course in college you have a variety of classes, at least 40-50, with 25 being a varied assortment of required courses. So you tack on a masters degree and you're closer to getting a focused 10k in a subject. But college does teach people on a broader passive way how to learn through instruction, rote, studying, research etc and hopefully the student will learn which style they excel at.
If you go to school for computers, you didn't spend enough time to achieve 10k, hence why an employer, acting as an advanced mentor would expose you to and train you in more.

Most educational systems attempt to be broad so that its generally individualistic learners who can pursue 10k of hours because they can devote 100% of their time to say writing without being required to go to a math or science class or vice versa.

I walked into undergraduate school at 21 with a dozen full manuscripts of 250 plus pages each. I had a previous ten to fifteen years of writing tons of things--essays, newsletters, articles, poetry, plays, comic scripts, short stories, long stories, story boarding so I was advanced for an undergrad writer who then wrote for four ongoing magazine, journal, newspaper and chap books plus submitting to magazines and getting published nationwide. By my sophomore year I came to understand how the structure of school was hindering me so I padded my schedule with five reading and writing courses to one required course plus I worked as a TA for two award winning writer professors and was deeply invested in the works of others in group classes. Mentors and practical experience on the work of others taught me to write better. But I would estimate I walked in at 5000 to 7000 hours. Its not the number 10, 000 its the kind of work, exposure, variety, mentorship one gets that makes the 10k worth expertise.

Several friends /classmates wanted to be writers and I later came to understand experienced jealousy and envy at my advanced work and being picked by the professors to be their TA, one hadn't had one in over fifteen years because she judged students as not ready. She offered me the job because I had advanced myself---one by writing so much and two by reading so much. My grandmother read five books a week and I was always trying to keep up. I read my first adult book at 10 and didn't think I would get to college so I went to Barnes and noble and started at A, assuming that the books I did read I would encounter if and when I got to college. Two years of intense college level focused reading propelled me further from my normal prodigiousness to a more intense specialist level. I was ripe for the next necessary component of 10,000 expertise, intense attention from acclaimed, accomplished masters.

But you'd have to be both the viewer and a trained engineer to see that. I was teaching for years in a variety of corporate and adult then children then creative ways before I specifically have been able to identify teaching expertise and I'm still learning. But there came a point where I directly had to seek out mentors again, I would estimate at about 8000 hours of pure teaching but once I did work with them within a year I was a recognized expert by another expert who observed me teaching cold.

Even now with a mix of about 45k of hours in writing, teaching and reading I'm still learning and fascinated by what another twenty years will garner. But I do know its not a pure 10k of hours unless you start early, build and adjust your own learning by understanding learning levels.

To the point of a short span, I took about a dozen computer courses after undergrad...ms office, PhotoShop, illustrator, quark, Page Maker, Java, html, JavaScript from beginner to advanced level then years later formal desktop support tech classes and systems administrator. I taught ms office to ms Office / expertise certification level for about 100 students in 5 of the programs, I even figured out how to certify thru the Certiport system without it stumping my students but instead testing them...there was a big ethical question because no one else , ever had figured out the ms Office certification test from the "underside" enough to teach others how to apply their knowledge. Yes, I'm being purposefully vague, my students had been in class for nine months, they'd earned certification in spite of Certiport’s byzantine structures.

Truthfully I found the rote teaching dull. I was fantastic at it, the company sneaking in two IT guys to the class to test me...but I can "see" the screens in my head so I can multiple times teach and advance. I was so bored I would buy DVDs of like Access to play a lesson for class while I went for a walk. However I am not that interested in computers. I possess an intermediate to advanced level learned skill at them but lack emotional interest and passion for them. I've never sought out a computer mentor though I've had great teachers and with all my schooling and teaching of them and lesson planning and seven years of office work temping I have at least 15,000 hours. I've never progressed to a true level of expertise because I don't care to but as I go to class for Premiere CC I bring that ability to bear so that I'm almost advanced as just a beginner, I know the software ought to be able to do what I envision because i know folk brighter than me made and update it, its just a matter if my finding the right sequence. I lack the skill from having done thousands of hours of projects though I possess the skill of figuring out it can switch channels. I can feel the gap. But I use MS word to layout books, newsletters, magazines, brochures, posters, reports, etc from comfort when I intuitively know InDesign is what I should be using full-time. I can feel Words gap.

Expertise involves intuitive innovation, it almost can't be explained in words because its so instinctive now. That's what the 10,000 true hours impart, instinctively innovating.

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Do you think the Ericcson/Gladwell Outliers 10k hour rule applies to writers?

Do you think the Ericcson/Gladwell Outliers 10k hour rule applies to writers?

Kyle Phoenix, At 40,000 plus hours, 2018

My students and I had a lively debate about whether 10,000 hours of work on ones writing would garner skill and possible mastery. I fell into the yes camp but I did add it requires deliberate practice, one must write across the spectrum to get a feel in various areas ---fictions genres, journalism-magazine, newspaper and interviews, playwrighting/screenwriting, poetry, essays, technical and business then you'll both get a sense of your interest and stretch.

I personally find poetry and playwrighting the most difficult though I actually won several poetry prizes and have done lots of readings, even getting paid.

But I pointed out I have had about six mentors from high school, college, grad school just focused on my work and I've bombed plenty of times. Their aid was instrumental in helping me to develop.

We then counted the amount of times published anywhere because it meant your work had stood on its own and garnered attention.

There was a lot of calculations going on, lifespan, time asleep, time at a job, time not writing. We settled on a fourth of 1/4 of one's lifespan as a general rule of time if you were seriously committed to your art. Then it got ugly, we looked several of my creative writing classmates to see if they'd continued the writing output I saw from classes with them. We guesstimated 400 and tracked down 4 who'd stuck with it and graduated to social media in notation or further writing. Blogs counted because you could republish them offline.

I had to go find old classmates work in storage and then look them up, discreetly because we wanted to see who'd stuck with it and advanced, progressed.

Still 4.

Lots of people went into careers sure. Seemed Facebook happy but only a handful still were writers. It made us think that any art is both compulsion and commitment but that if you could get to a certain amount of time, it became natural habitual.

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Would Malcolm Gladwells 10,000 hour rule apply in math and the principles surrounding the engineering practice? Answered by Kyle Phoenix

Would Malcolm Gladwells 10,000 hour rule apply in math and the principles surrounding the engineering practice?

Kyle Phoenix, At 40,000 plus hours, 2016

Howard Gardner and Robert Greene write on this as well in looking at development of intelligences. To overly simplify the problem with static science is that you must learn the basics, the mediums and the advanced before you can contribute creatively. The posit is this is why writers and musicians (Dylan Thomas, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, John Coltrane, Miles Davis) can achieve giant innovative leaps at a younger age then scientists. Scientists must learn, then experiment then be peer reviewed by the domain itself/and teachers which can all take decades. One might achieve mastery but exampling it in the sciences takes longer and is often collaborative.

In a Kanye or a Beck or a Prince or Bjork we can see their mastery and innovation because there's less to master and once the basics are understood, experimentation generally begins. I would expect that experimentation begins after about 2500 hours of practice because in art and music you can extrapolate backwards and forwards without having to master the advanced permutations you're seeing. You can also unconsciously master/absorb connected knowledge. I once diagrammed a sentence in front of a class and I was shocked because I hadn't deliberately done in years but I was so familiar with all of the parts of speech through reading and writing that I "knew" it.

In math and science one can't skip around in the same ways and still achieve a mastery synthesis.

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Kyle Phoenix Answers: Is the 10 000 hours rule a bullshit and huge generalization that could also become a mental block that is slowing down the skill-building process?

One, its based on Ericsson's theory funneled through Gladwell's Outliers book. Which is more expansive and detailed than just 10k of rote activity and practice. Always go to the original study to judge. 

Two, in all of the answers I've read, none are from teachers. Teachers are essentially"mind-learning doctors" because we spend so much time translating reality and at the same time mapping a students mind and capacity to learn.

Non-teachers see learning the way a viewer sees a moving car. Teachers see learning from the perspective of an engineer within the car with a laptop showing the real time processes.
The social problems with the 10k rule is that, people want things faster. 10k is a seemingly big number. Until you see that a college 4 years is close to 10k hours. Of course in college you have a variety of classes, at least 40-50, with 25 being a varied assortment of required courses. So you tack on a masters degree and you're closer to getting a focused 10k in a subject. But college does teach people on a broader passive way how to learn through instruction, rote, studying, research etc and hopefully the student will learn which style they excel at.

If you go to school for computers, you didn't spend enough time to achieve 10k, hence why an employer, acting as an advanced mentor would expose you to and train you in more.
Most educational systems attempt to be broad so that its generally individualistic learners who can pursue 10k of hours because they can devote 100% of their time to say writing without being required to go to a math or science class or vice versa.

I walked into undergraduate school at 21 with a dozen full manuscripts of 250 plus pages each. I had a previous ten to fifteen years of writing tons of things--essays, newsletters, articles, poetry, plays, comic scripts, short stories, long stories, story boarding so I was advanced for an undergrad writer who then wrote for four ongoing magazine, journal, newspaper and chap books plus submitting to magazines and getting published nationwide. By my sophomore year I came to understand how the structure of school was hindering me so I padded my schedule with five reading and writing courses to one required course plus I worked as a TA for two award winning writer professors and was deeply invested in the works of others in group classes. Mentors and practical experience on the work of others taught me to write better. But I would estimate I walked in at 5000 to 7000 hours. Its not the number 10, 000 its the kind of work, exposure, variety, mentorship one gets that makes the 10k worth expertise.

Several friends /classmates wanted to be writers and I later came to understand experienced jealousy and envy at my advanced work and being picked by the professors to be their TA, one hadn't had one in over fifteen years because she judged students as not ready. She offered me the job because I had advanced myself---one by writing so much and two by reading so much. My grandmother read five books a week and I was always trying to keep up. I read my first adult book at 10 and didn't think I would get to college so I went to Barnes and noble and started at A, assuming that the books I did read I would encounter if and when I got to college. Two years of intense college level focused reading propelled me further from my normal prodigiousness to a more intense specialist level. I was ripe for the next necessary component of 10,000 expertise, intense attention from acclaimed, accomplished masters.

But you'd have to be both the viewer and a trained engineer to see that. I was teaching for years in a variety of corporate and adult then children then creative ways before I specifically have been able to identify teaching expertise and I'm still learning. But there came a point where I directly had to seek out mentors again, I would estimate at about 8000 hours of pure teaching but once I did work with them within a year I was a recognized expert by another expert who observed me teaching cold.

Even now with a mix of about 45k of hours in writing, teaching and reading I'm still learning and fascinated by what another twenty years will garner. But I do know its not a pure 10k of hours unless you start early, build and adjust your own learning by understanding learning levels.

To the point of a short span, I took about a dozen computer courses after undergrad...ms office, PhotoShop, illustrator, quark, PageMaker, Java, html, JavaScript from beginner to advanced level then years later formal desktop support tech classes and systems administrator. I taught ms office to ms Office / expertise certification level for about 100 students in 5 of the programs, I even figured out how to certify thru the certiport system without it stumping my students but instead testing them...there was a big ethical question because no one else , ever had figured out the ms Office certification test from the "underside" enough to teach others how to apply their knowledge. Yes, I'm being purposefully vague, my students had been in class for nine months, they'd earned certification in spite of certiports byzantine structures.

Truthfully I found the rote teaching dull. I was fantastic at it, the company sneaking in two IT guys to the class to test me...but I can "see" the screens in my head so I can multiple times teach and advance. I was so bored I would buy DVDs of like Access to play a lesson for class while I went for a walk. However I am not that interested in computers. I possess an intermediate to advanced level learned skill at them but lack emotional interest and passion for them. I've never sought out a computer mentor though I've had great teachers and with all my schooling and teaching of them and lesson planning and seven years of office work temping I have at least 15,000 hours. I've never progressed to a true level of expertise because I don't care to but as I go to class for Premiere CC I bring that ability to bear so that I'm almost advanced as just a beginner, I know the software ought to be able to do what I envision because i know folk brighter than me made and update it, its just a matter if my finding the right sequence. I lack the skill from having done thousands of hours of projects though I possess the skill of figuring out it can switch channels. I can feel the gap. But I use MS word to layout books, newsletters, magazines, brochures, posters, reports, etc from comfort when I intuitively know InDesign is what I should be using full-time. I can feel Words gap.

Expertise involves intuitive innovation, it almost can't be explained in words because its so instinctive now. That's what the 10,000 true hours impart, instinctively innovating.

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Kyle Phoenix Answers: Is the 10 000 hours rule a bs and huge generalization that could also become a mental block that is slowing down the skill-building process?

One, its based on Ericsson's theory (made famous by Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers). Which is more expansive and detailed than just 10k of rote activity and practice. Always go to the original study to judge. Two, in all of the answers I've read, none are from teachers. Teachers are essentially"mind-learning doctors" because we spend so much time translating reality and at the same time mapping a students mind and capacity to learn.

Non-teachers see learning the way a viewer sees a moving car. Teachers see learning from the perspective of an engineer within the car with a laptop showing the real time processes.
The social problems with the 10k rule is that, people want things faster. 10k is a seemingly big number. Until you see that a college 4 years is close to 10k hours. Of course in college you have a variety of classes, at least 40-50, with 25 being a varied assortment of required courses. So you tack on a masters degree and you're closer to getting a focused 10k in a subject. But college does teach people on a broader passive way how to learn through instruction, rote, studying, research etc and hopefully the student will learn which style they excel at.

If you go to school for computers, you didn't spend enough time to achieve 10k, hence why an employer, acting as an advanced mentor would expose you to and train you in more.
Most educational systems attempt to be broad so that its generally individualistic learners who can pursue 10k of hours because they can devote 100% of their time to say writing without being required to go to a math or science class or vice versa.

I walked into undergraduate school at 21 with a dozen full manuscripts of 250 plus pages each. I had a previous ten to fifteen years of writing tons of things--essays, newsletters, articles, poetry, plays, comic scripts, short stories, long stories, story boarding so I was advanced for an undergrad writer who then wrote for four ongoing magazine, journal, newspaper and chap books plus submitting to magazines and getting published nationwide. By my sophomore year I came to understand how the structure of school was hindering me so I padded my schedule with five reading and writing courses to one required course plus I worked as a TA for two award winning writer professors and was deeply invested in the works of others in group classes. Mentors and practical experience on the work of others taught me to write better. But I would estimate I walked in at 5000 to 7000 hours. Its not the number 10, 000 its the kind of work, exposure, variety, mentorship one gets that makes the 10k worth expertise.

Several friends /classmates wanted to be writers and I later came to understand experienced jealousy and envy at my advanced work and being picked by the professors to be their TA, one hadn't had one in over fifteen years because she judged students as not ready. She offered me the job because I had advanced myself---one by writing so much and two by reading so much. My grandmother read five books a week and I was always trying to keep up. I read my first adult book at 10 and didn't think I would get to college so I went to Barnes and noble and started at A, assuming that the books I did read I would encounter if and when I got to college. Two years of intense college level focused reading propelled me further from my normal prodigiousness to a more intense specialist level. I was ripe for the next necessary component of 10,000 expertise, intense attention from acclaimed, accomplished masters.

But you'd have to be both the viewer and a trained engineer to see that. I was teaching for years in a variety of corporate and adult then children then creative ways before I specifically have been able to identify teaching expertise and I'm still learning. But there came a point where I directly had to seek out mentors again, I would estimate at about 8000 hours of pure teaching but once I did work with them within a year I was a recognized expert by another expert who observed me teaching cold.

Even now with a mix of about 45k of hours in writing, teaching and reading, I'm still learning and fascinated by what another twenty years will garner. But I do know its not a pure 10k of hours unless you start early, build and adjust your own learning by understanding learning levels.

To the point of a short span, I took about a dozen computer courses after undergrad...ms office, PhotoShop, illustrator, quark, PageMaker, Java, html, JavaScript from beginner to advanced level then years later formal desktop support tech classes and systems administrator. I taught ms office to ms Office / expertise certification level for about 100 students in 5 of the programs, I even figured out how to certify thru the certiport system without it stumping my students but instead testing them...there was a big ethical question because no one else , ever had figured out the ms Office certification test from the "underside" enough to teach others how to apply their knowledge. Yes, I'm being purposefully vague, my students had been in class for nine months, they'd earned certification in spite of certiports byzantine structures.

Truthfully I found the rote teaching dull. I was fantastic at it, the company sneaking in two IT guys to the class to test me...but I can "see" the screens in my head so I can multiple times teach and advance. I was so bored I would buy DVDs of like Access to play a lesson for class while I went for a walk. However I am not that interested in computers. I possess an intermediate to advanced level learned skill at them but lack emotional interest and passion for them. I've never sought out a computer mentor though I've had great teachers and with all my schooling and teaching of them and lesson planning and seven years of office work temping I have at least 15,000 hours. I've never progressed to a true level of expertise because I don't care to but as I go to class for Premiere CC I bring that ability to bear so that I'm almost advanced as just a beginner, I know the software ought to be able to do what I envision because i know folk brighter than me made and update it, its just a matter if my finding the right sequence. I lack the skill from having done thousands of hours of projects though I possess the skill of figuring out it can switch channels. I can feel the gap. But I use MS word to layout books, newsletters, magazines, brochures, posters, reports, etc from comfort when I intuitively know InDesign is what I should be using full-time. I can feel Word's gap.

Expertise involves intuitive innovation, it almost can't be explained in words because its so instinctive now. That's what the 10,000 true hours impart, instinctively innovating.

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